So far its been running fine! Recall date. I will NEVER drive it again. I've posted a number of times, but had the same issue, same initial resolution, same issue come up again just a few thousand miles later. And if the issue with the engine is a misfire then I would not have to pay nothing. We need to get another lawsuit going. Honda not willing to do the same for a known issue in a 2014 version. Hard to trust them now!! This really needs to be a recall. I am also wondering why I was never contacted about the issuse?? Since it was the same issue, I did what anyone would do and take it to dealership so they can fix it without having to cover any costs. I now have a bill for >$800 for their replacement as the bushings rubber cracked and the oil leaked out. any help out there? This is a common problem in 4-cylinder engines as well. All I can say is that my car was in the shop for about 5 weeks. Long story short they continued to put me off until I reached the 100k miles and the warranty was up, and said they couldnt do anything at that point. The dealer updated the PCM software and replaced spark plugs. Especially when. If Honda USA is indeed covering the repair, it is reasonable to expect them to intercede on your behalf when the dealer is taking so long. Click Here for More Details. Ive already spent well over the cost of the car & become in debt due to continuing problems!! Now I just hope it is done correctly since it seems like a major problem. Employee for 13. (Federal Judgement for a class action law suit for this and other Honda vehicles was made on 03/21/2014). This is an engineering design flaw, plain and simple class action suit was an easy way out for Honda. Oil consumption readings show its burning a half of a quart per 1,000 miles which is within industry standard. They told me 1 quart per 1000 miles was normal. I think I've done 25-30 of these piston/rings cars and they are not bad to do. Dealership plans to replace 4 spark plugs and 4 rings on the piston. 2005 Honda Pilot Problems My dealership has proven to be a keeper too. Flushed my radiator, flush the transmission etc. Spark plugs at Honda are 30.00 a piece, and they were replacing them for free. My perspective is that Honda engineering pushed VCM a little to much to get their EPA rating up 1 or 2 miles to a gallon. There's plenty of "Scotty haters" on the internet but t Latest Post: Subaru 2006 FWD activation. 3:12-Cv-1377-si (n.D. https://topclassactions.com/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, UPDATE: Reimbursements from the Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Settlement, Honda Engine Misfire Class Action Lawsuit Settlement, http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/23055-honda-engine-misfire-class-action-settlement-gets-final-ok/, Abbott baby formula recall lawsuit investigation, American Tuna false advertising class action lawsuit investigation. I have the exact same model and the exact same problem. Alex Soto, et al. Was never notified of any issue and out of pocket $331.53 before this third repair. Honda is extremely unsafe! Are there any other suits or recalls? Jesse, I have a 2008 4 cylinder and have been dealing with the oil buring for over 2 years. Believe in having an engine misfire issue. They are not the same as recalls. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. the recall began october 30, 2017. owners may contact honda customer service at 1-888-234-2138. honda's numbers for this recall are o07, y0a, n06, g05, m04, y01, and o09. The service centers will NOT do any repairs unless the trouble code lights are on. Car has been back to dealer 5 times and this morning the check engine light is back on. I am on the hook for paying for the problem. A lawsuit against Honda extended the warranty. ( rpm would even rev up by itself while in park, and nobody was in the vehicle) I have over 16 videos on several different dates proving this. Shortly after I purchased it I noticed that the vehicle would hesitate to accelerate when trying it and it jumps when I put it in reverse while parked on a small hill. I have noticed that my van doesn't seem to accelerate well. My always fouls the same coil on the same cylinder.. what I did was buy a new coil from auto zone with a lifetime warranty and just replace it as needed.. it dont take but about 30 min or less to do it.. Have owned Hondas since 1998. The total was $3200 after negotiating to lower the cost. The settlement concerns all U.S. purchasers and lessees of 2008-12 Accord, 2008-13 Odyssey, 2009-13 Pilot, 2010-11 Accord Crosstour and 2012 Crosstour vehicles equipped with six-cylinder engines . Original owner had same problem since 2014. The plug eventually fouls, the engines misfires and the dashboard lights up. I decided to get the car fixed at the dealer since the vehicle was stranded there. My cylnder number 3 was fouled. They started happening in 2018, 4 years after they closed the class action lawsuit involving my year of Honda Accord. Honda has recalled 2003 Honda Pilots to replace the airbag inflator. Has anyone else had the same problem with an 08 Pilot? I have a 2013 Honda Odyssey. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. What is this new warranty and its expiration date? They suggested getting a good, used motor at the cost of over $5,000 as it might cost more to figure it out and fix than the motor would cost. I have taken the vehicle to the mechanic about three times already because of misfires on the cylinders so I changed the cylinders and spark plugs within 2 years and a half, for a while the vehicle runs great (still hesitating) but then after a while it starts to shake again. BTW Have you found out what compliance bushings do? Now now accelerator is getting worse in losing connection with the engine. And a couple of weeks ago my engine came on flashing and traction light came on. A second wave of checks will go out this Fall, according to the Settlement Administrator. It was starting to make sense to me then. I took my 2010 Pilot to the RSM Honda Dealer yesterday for the exact problem (1 piston ring, cylinder misfire $4700 quote) and told the dealer about your comments, postings of similar issues and the dealer will not help. Engine in our 2012 Pilot locked up this week. This problem just started on 1/1/2015. While I did dig up my past maintenance invoices, and I did spend about $1200 fixing/replacing both crush washers and torqued both drain. A little tutorial might help. We are having the same issue with our 2009 Accord ex-l saw the car was in for the update software at 66,000 (roughly) plugs were changed and update to cylinder management system.. We bought the car at 81,000 did the routine plug change at 103,00.. several oil changes the service adviser mentioned that the car was low on oil when brought in for routine oil change and to keep a check on the oil. I have been mulling over my options for two weeks now. Piston rings on some cylinders can rotate and align, which can contribute to the fouling of the spark plug. I should not have to worry about being stranded in a practically new vehicle. Honda obviously is refusing to fix the problem. I am at 115, 000 and my check engine light hasnt come on and it seems to be running fine. And misleading, crooked company!! This category only includes cookies that ensures basic functionalities and security features of the website. The work order cites the Soto class action lawsuit. We havent given them an answer to go ahead with the repair. I did ask for the issue to be escalated and I also asked if they had a customer ombudsman that could look into the issue no. They tell me it will cost $14000 dollars to fix but they will contact Honda and try and get me a break on the price because they didnt notice the problem when it first happened. Isnt Honda and their dealers required to DISCLOSE/ADVISE/MAKE PUBLIC to buyers of vehicles they sell or have for sale that are with in the parameters of the vehicles with the flaws included in a class action law suit?? If not, why not? my 2009 Honda accord 4 cylinder has check engine flashing, VSA, Triangle all on. I told them I needed my car and will just bring it in another day. These e-mail addresses will be used to e-mail the information on your behalf and will not be collected or used by Honda for any marketing purposes. Took it to the dealer and pointed out that in 2018 they noted that if the code came back they would need to do procedure B which is the piston ring replacement. I have been searching as well to find out if other people had issues such as this. I have not received the settlement notice. Is this real??? You should receive a letter from the manufacturer if your car has been recalled. Had to replace both. Honda told me is wasnt their problem! We called the hotline and they will call in 2 days, but doesnt look promising. Shanon Carson Same issue with rear brakes on the car, I didnt find out there was a problem until i recieved a Class Action Notice. Isnt this illegal?? Valves tighten up over time if not checked and that in turn leads to a burned valve and engine misfire. Its unfair to not also be included in the settlement when we had no way of knowing this when we purchased our vehicles!! 2023 Vehicle History Inc. All Rights Reserved. Mark all read, Topic Icons: I have spoken to Honda and all they can do is apologize with I am sorry sir, as they will not back up their product. When I took them to task about it, they backed off their initial stance that it was going to cost me around $6000 to repair. This is word for word (by text) what the service guy told me: The cylinder head had damage engine valves we sent off the cylinder head to machine shop to make sure the cylinder head was okay and is not damaged we are going to have to replace the valve and once everything is installed by the machine shop we will install the cylinder head back onto the motor and everything should be okay.. If you get a check, let us know! I have a 2009 honda accord exl v6, Ive had all of the above problems. I owned a 2009 Honda Pilot EX-L and just recently experiences the problem while driving in constant speed around 60 and then the engine light went flashing. my 2004 Honda Odyssey would do his on its own, up 20mph 60mph even continued while I had the brakes to the floor !! Since that time (Aug '15) I havent had any problems. Honda are you listening? However I will never invest in a Honda vehicle again! Another 'trick' thing to do is to push the button on the shifter for 'D4' which locks it into only the first four speeds for 'city' driving at 45 mph or less. Nope! Thanks for any input. Major engine repair can lead to a lot of down time. They advised it was from the oil getting into the combustion chamber just like the V6s. Oh, and it wont be done until Thursday at the earliest (oh, and I need to get back and forth to work). And, Im adding 1qt oil every 750 to 1000 miles. The car is a 2011 and has around 70,000 miles. Anonymous, (2012 Honda Pilot EX 3.5-L V6) "Had to replace right front ball joint at less than 60k miles. Update: now, after all 4 piston rings and spark plugs have been replaced, the van is diagnosed with bad engine. The 2009-2013 Honda Pilot is the subject of two TSBs for the piston rings which may fail at roughly 72,000 miles or compromise spark plugs. Make sure the letter O was not entered in place of the number 0. I also have an 8 year/120K Honda Care warranty, so, in theory, I should be covered until May 2018 if the problem crops up again. Loyal Honda customer for over 20 years. http://settlement-claims.com/enginemisfire/, Rust Consulting Around 15 mph coasting, engine disconnects from accelerator and no acceleration nor increased rpm. The parties agree that there are no safety concerns with the vehicles named in the litigation. Now that it is out of warranty (I bout the 100k or 7 year warranty); Im going to have to pay for those spark plugs! In order for the oil consumption trouble codes to come on your vehicle must be around 3.5 quarts low on oil. This is a huge inconvenience for me. Please let me know if you have heard anything back. I have had this vehicle for 4.5 years never knew anything about this lawsuit . For anyone having this issue it may be worth calling them to see if anything can be done even if the warranty extension has expired. At the third one I was down only .5 quart again (fishy). This recently to my wife while driving on a busy highway. Crooks. Ill change the spark plugs on the affected cylinders every 50k and will even try going to 5w30 oil instead of 0w20. previous owner was even made aware of the lawsuit? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Top Class Actions is a Proud Member of the American Bar Association, Various Trademarks held by their respective owners. This is definitely later than the suit deadline. American Honda Motor Co. has agreed to a class action lawsuit settlement over claims it manufactured defective Accord vehicles that burn oil too quickly. My 2012 Honda Pilot has been having these problems for almost a year now. I shouldnt have to pay for any of this, but at least Honda is picking up 75%. Hello did anyone help you with this problem. I have had misfire and jerking but the salesman told me that it was normal with ESO so how will I be able to get the extended warranty in the event my problems are just beginning. A simple, easy way to find recall and product update information on your Honda. Ive always used mobile one synthetic oil for oil changes. Ford will get my new car business. After hours of research I stumbled upon the class action lawsuit but was frustrated to learn it was now closed and doesnt include the model year of my vehicle. How do I go about contacting them? I AM THE SECOND OWNER AND I BOUGHT IT FROM A HONDA DEALERSHIP. My frustration is with the dealership in not answering questions and saying, It should be ready in a few days several times and the days have taken weeks. The fins on the original cylinder heads were straight front to back. I am scheduled to return to follow up with the dealership. Can anyone give me any advice? I have the same problem. 2008 Accord E-XL 100K miles. what can i do i do now? I bought a 2009 accord coupe and was never told about this lawsuit or recall. American Honda is announcing a powertrain warranty extension as a result of a settlement of a class captioned, Soto etal V American Honda Motor Co., Inc., Case No. After replacing the plugs (myself the second time) and installing a muzzler device, I've been happily driving the van without issues for over 10k miles, including 2 road trips (one about 500 miles, the other about 1600 miles). The problem is that this repair is extensive and out of the realm of a shop mechanic. Now faced with the $4000k piston redo. A sad loss, even sadder Honda was no help!!! I have garaged it at the same address since that day. Pilot, Odyssey well, it appears that Honda put oil filled bushings in the front end suspension that isolated engine vibration from the front suspension. At the auto machine shops around here even getting the simplest of machine work such as surfacing a single cylinder head is usually a week minimum and sometimes 2 to 4 weeks all depending. Hi Scotty, is it safe for me to put my Subaru forester RE: Wannabe Youtuber nitpicks Scotty for clickbait. Lo and behold 30 minutes later at the dealer it was only down .5 quart and my engine was deemed to be okay and passed the engine consumption test. I have a 2011 Honda Pilot they unfortunately had the piston rings issue that was common for the model. So 2 days later it happens again. I'm just worried that my rings may be damaged and may go on to cause other problems. I have 95, 500 miles on my Honda, which by the way Ive never had an issue with the engine or anything else. Now that it is, my dealership was given permission from HONDA to take the car in and fix it next week. The dealership wont budge on the $3000 repair costs, ridiculous. We bought our 2013 odyssey used in 2016. I immediately called and spoke to the service manager at the dealer. I am not sinking $3500 into a car that continues to depreciate and is currently only worth ~$5000 private party. The problem was diagnosed by the dealership service department I just showed up with 2 engine lights on. Three Honda Dealerships told us there is a problem with the engine. Sometimes it takes longer to get approval for a warranty repair then it does to perform the repair. My minivan(11, odyssey) was having this misfire from time to time. Its good though that Honda is stepping up and not charging your for it, so consider that a big boost to your wallet anyway. odyclub.com is not in any way affiliated with Honda Motor Company, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. At my mechanic now. Recall no. I had a friend of mine hook up his personal scanner and found out cylinder 5 was misfiring. You can also check with the dealer, which will know which (if any) recalls pertain to your car. I went to the dealership and they replaced the 1-4 spark plugs at no cost to me, but the same issue, but milder without the engine light, still happened. I knew it wasnt normal for my car to shake and tremble the way it does. There should not be a time limit since its continuing to happen. Engine pistons in these vehicles may not have been properly hardened during a heat treatment process. But all of that is beyond the scope of my knowledge on car engines. I took it for an oil consumption test which they said would be two times. The vehicle is eight years and three months old. Having same thing happen to honda crosstour. I have a 2008 honda accord exl and my car just started this within the last couple of months!!! I took it in a later day and it turned out that there was no second diagnostic needed. (it only holds 4.5). I am trying to see if Honda is paying for any repairs. Service tech said oh, yeah that is an issue with that model. That is supposed to be a solution? Just got the coil fixed, $85 tow, $129 diagnostic, and $150 to swap out the spark plug. I have filed a claim with Honda Corp and wAiting to hear back . I just purchased a 2012 exl v6 w/nav 2 months ago. At first we got error code P0301, cylinder one misfire, car running rough engine hesitating. If I had been I probably wouldnt have purchased it at the end of my lease because once you crack open the engine, it could be a can of worms for a LONG time and 2. I spoke with Hondas customer relations office and the dealer. He called me back a few days later and I was approved for the fix. They did tell me that all the mechanic work previously completed was superbly performed so that was not the issue. If you find out, let me know!! . The Questions and Answers on this page are the statements and opinions of their respective authors and not VehicleHistory.com. I was notified about 2 different recalls: one for the airbag and one for the shift lever and immediately took it in and had it fixed. I was just told by the dealership that this was something Honda had extended the warranty on. The proposed class action settlement was preliminarily approved by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston on Oct. 9, 2013. This was your flaw with engine design not mine. I have a 2011 pilot . VIN search results will return safety recalls specific to your vehicle that have not yet been completed. I also talked to the Acura Dealer service manager who politely smiled and said it would be $169 for 1 hr assessment and then $369 for a leak down test and then he could recommend an action. That fact increases the cost of operating the car much more than what was projected when I purchased the car which in my eyes, further decreases the value of the car. A recall is a recall lets file another suite. The gap is what makes it possible to fit the spring over the mushroom. I wish there was something I could do. . Apparently it is the same engine, the body looked very much like a bland minivan. It is one thing to find out about an issue after and inform current owners. Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. I thought all members of a potential class action suit were supposed to be notified and given the option to opt out. Was told by that dealer, that after the first time, the dealership should have replaced rings on the pistons to prevent this from happening again. Any avenue to get this piston issue addressed? Back in January wife was experiencing what we took to be mild mis-firing so my wife took the Pilot into the the local dealer. A federal judge granted final approval to the Honda engine misfire class action settlement at a March 21, 2014, Final Fairness Hearing. 3:12-cv-1377-SI (N.D. I have a 2011 Odyssey with around 87,000 miles on it. EVERY SINGLE CAR OWNER OF THESE VEHICLES SHOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE SETTLEMENT!! There were no diagnostic codes and they couldnt get the car to repeat what my wife experienced, so nothing done. Before I contact Honda Regional or Corporate I t. I have a 2014 Odyssey and had a fouled spark plug at 17,000 and another at 30,000. The diagnosis was cylinder 3 misfire, an apparent Honda problem and one that Ive had fixed once before on this same car at the dealership where I bought the car. We brought it to the dealership, they diagnosed the condition as cylinder one misfire, agreed that we were candidates for the extended warranty repair which included at first software update and then we were advised to drive the vehicle to determine if there was further failure of the piston rings. American honda is extending the powertrain warranty to cover repairs related to engine failure (which causes dtcs p0301 to p0304) to 8 years of unrestricted mileage from the original date of purchase and has resolved a class case on the basis of this remedial measure. status of any class action settlement claim. When I took them to task about it, they backed off their initial stance that it was going to cost me around $6000 to repair. More info: http://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/23055-honda-engine-misfire-class-action-settlement-gets-final-ok/, I have the same problem with my 2008 Honda Accord four cylinder. I decided to disable it as a 2007 Odyssey Touring - Silver, Depaxed | VCMTuner II, Seems like you are saying the same thing as. It is ridiculous how much gas I go thru for very little driving! ENGINE BUILDING IS NOT A SIMPLE BRAKE JOB!! Free ring replacement 1-3 or 1-4. Almost immediately, it misfired again. We are having the same issue with our 2016 Odyssey. And I dont know much about the particulars of the lawsuit. I am wondering if it did misfire? The dealership then performed the second part of the mandatory repair replacing the piston rings. A check engine light (code P0304 was read). Why is it not illegal for a Honda Dealership to sell you a Honda Pilot 2011 if the engine misfire and piston ring/ foul sparkplug and oil burning problem is inevitable for all? administrator or law firm. 2011 Honda Pilot misfiring. (133000k miles) on this vehicle, does the timing. Honda wants me to pay 25%.. Im like why? The suit is news to me (although Honda says they forwarded a notice of class action a while ago). The cost should come out around $300, but you'll have to do some of the work yourself. where and who can fix the problems. Or do they have the same issues. And this does extend my powertrain warranty for 8 years due to the qualifying code for misfire. 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